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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://chrismarshall.ws/devonthink/comment-page-1#comment-21877</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a heads-up, Yojimbo 1.5 released with image and icon support!! Better Leopard compatibility and expanded Spotlight integration too.

http://www.barebones.com/support/yojimbo/current_notes.shtml

All good stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a heads-up, Yojimbo 1.5 released with image and icon support!! Better Leopard compatibility and expanded Spotlight integration too.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.barebones.com/support/yojimbo/current_notes.shtml">http://www.barebones.com/support/yojimbo/current_notes.shtml</a></p>
<p>All good stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Mac Sokulski</title>
		<link>http://chrismarshall.ws/devonthink/comment-page-1#comment-20371</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac Sokulski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now all I have to do is figure out how to add a couple of more hours to the day, and we can start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now all I have to do is figure out how to add a couple of more hours to the day, and we can start.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://chrismarshall.ws/devonthink/comment-page-1#comment-20368</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same here for new files...but there really isn&#039;t a good/easy way to do it so I have fallen way behind.

Now all I want is a native tag viewer so I can look at what existing tags I have used...time to learn Xcode and Cocoa? :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same here for new files&#8230;but there really isn&#8217;t a good/easy way to do it so I have fallen way behind.</p>
<p>Now all I want is a native tag viewer so I can look at what existing tags I have used&#8230;time to learn Xcode and Cocoa? <img src='http://chrismarshall.ws/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mac Sokulski</title>
		<link>http://chrismarshall.ws/devonthink/comment-page-1#comment-20350</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac Sokulski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tagging every file on the system.... yikes!  I&#039;ve been trying to do my part when creating new files, or resaving old ones.  The problem is there no unified list of used tags.  So I catch myself misspelling certain tags, creating all kind of havoc.  I dare say that microsoft was on the right track when they announced the SQL based file system for longhorn.  They scrapped it, and we got vista.  Nevertheless they were on the right track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tagging every file on the system&#8230;. yikes!  I&#8217;ve been trying to do my part when creating new files, or resaving old ones.  The problem is there no unified list of used tags.  So I catch myself misspelling certain tags, creating all kind of havoc.  I dare say that microsoft was on the right track when they announced the SQL based file system for longhorn.  They scrapped it, and we got vista.  Nevertheless they were on the right track.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://chrismarshall.ws/devonthink/comment-page-1#comment-20349</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Auto-generation of tags based on content is going to be the &quot;enabler&quot; for this I think, a little like Yep for PDFs or Devon&#039;s AI.

Nobody can be bothered to manually tag EVERY file on the system...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Auto-generation of tags based on content is going to be the &#8220;enabler&#8221; for this I think, a little like Yep for PDFs or Devon&#8217;s AI.</p>
<p>Nobody can be bothered to manually tag EVERY file on the system&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://chrismarshall.ws/devonthink/comment-page-1#comment-20348</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah exactly. These are ultimately just fancy front-ends to the filesystem, and without some good value-adding features they will go away. Core Data and SQL are generally very fast for lookups but Spotlight&#039;s index is already there...

Keywords, tagging, ratings, colour-coding, some filing options, and convenient quick-entry methods for different data types (passwords, serial numbers, notes) are keeping these apps alive now, but how long will Apple ignore these guys? 10.6 will give us all these things and more I suspect.

For the moment Yojimbo has value for me, definitely, despite moaning. Tagging is useful but I am very reluctant to invest serious time in it without knowing some kind of system-level standard is going to evolve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah exactly. These are ultimately just fancy front-ends to the filesystem, and without some good value-adding features they will go away. Core Data and SQL are generally very fast for lookups but Spotlight&#8217;s index is already there&#8230;</p>
<p>Keywords, tagging, ratings, colour-coding, some filing options, and convenient quick-entry methods for different data types (passwords, serial numbers, notes) are keeping these apps alive now, but how long will Apple ignore these guys? 10.6 will give us all these things and more I suspect.</p>
<p>For the moment Yojimbo has value for me, definitely, despite moaning. Tagging is useful but I am very reluctant to invest serious time in it without knowing some kind of system-level standard is going to evolve.</p>
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		<title>By: Mac Sokulski</title>
		<link>http://chrismarshall.ws/devonthink/comment-page-1#comment-20347</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac Sokulski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it&#039;s a natural way of doing things.  When you look at all the apps on a mac, most that deal with libraries of some kind (iphoto, aperture, lightroom etc) use keywords or tags.  Each file on a mac has the ability to be tagged/keyworded.  Except there is no easy way of doing it.  Yet.  Quicksilver has some rudimentary support, so does Default Folder X.  As you can see they are 3rd party apps, not native to the OS.  I was waiting for this to become native in leopard, but nope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it&#8217;s a natural way of doing things.  When you look at all the apps on a mac, most that deal with libraries of some kind (iphoto, aperture, lightroom etc) use keywords or tags.  Each file on a mac has the ability to be tagged/keyworded.  Except there is no easy way of doing it.  Yet.  Quicksilver has some rudimentary support, so does Default Folder X.  As you can see they are 3rd party apps, not native to the OS.  I was waiting for this to become native in leopard, but nope.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Marshall</title>
		<link>http://chrismarshall.ws/devonthink/comment-page-1#comment-20345</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was wondering how long it would take you to bring up tagging :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was wondering how long it would take you to bring up tagging <img src='http://chrismarshall.ws/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mac Sokulski</title>
		<link>http://chrismarshall.ws/devonthink/comment-page-1#comment-20342</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac Sokulski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So basically giving it some more thought, we are slowly moving in the right direction with finder.  What we need is a Finder on steroids.  Since all of our data already on the HD, why duplicate it in a proprietary database.  Right now what is missing is easy access to tags or spotlight keywords. Once that is properly resolved I can almost say that all these info managers are going to be history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically giving it some more thought, we are slowly moving in the right direction with finder.  What we need is a Finder on steroids.  Since all of our data already on the HD, why duplicate it in a proprietary database.  Right now what is missing is easy access to tags or spotlight keywords. Once that is properly resolved I can almost say that all these info managers are going to be history.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://chrismarshall.ws/devonthink/comment-page-1#comment-20341</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will let you off just this once... ;)

Spotlight works, but is so slow you may as well have a cup of tea while it does its thing. I am only on a lowly PowerBook but it was top of the range when Yojimbo came out so no excuses accepted! Plus I am not the only one to complain.

Just to clarify, this is CONTENT searching inside Yojimbo. Outside in the system Spotlight individual Yojimbo items can be found fine, and quickly. But the title string gobbledegook thing is a known issue too...

Leopard has made this better, but that is down to underlying improvements in Spotlight, nothing to do with BB.

I just can&#039;t understand why what was billed as your digital junk drawer didn&#039;t do multimedia out of the box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will let you off just this once&#8230; <img src='http://chrismarshall.ws/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Spotlight works, but is so slow you may as well have a cup of tea while it does its thing. I am only on a lowly PowerBook but it was top of the range when Yojimbo came out so no excuses accepted! Plus I am not the only one to complain.</p>
<p>Just to clarify, this is CONTENT searching inside Yojimbo. Outside in the system Spotlight individual Yojimbo items can be found fine, and quickly. But the title string gobbledegook thing is a known issue too&#8230;</p>
<p>Leopard has made this better, but that is down to underlying improvements in Spotlight, nothing to do with BB.</p>
<p>I just can&#8217;t understand why what was billed as your digital junk drawer didn&#8217;t do multimedia out of the box.</p>
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		<title>By: Mac Sokulski</title>
		<link>http://chrismarshall.ws/devonthink/comment-page-1#comment-20339</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac Sokulski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, you are absolutely correct.  Dragging an image or a video to a new note in yojimbo works, but trying to add it like any other text based file doesn&#039;t.  So I am humbled :(.  Sorry.  But the spotlight integration still works....

On a different note, I think DevonThink allows for image/video import though.  I haven&#039;t used it in a long while, so I might be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, you are absolutely correct.  Dragging an image or a video to a new note in yojimbo works, but trying to add it like any other text based file doesn&#8217;t.  So I am humbled <img src='http://chrismarshall.ws/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> .  Sorry.  But the spotlight integration still works&#8230;.</p>
<p>On a different note, I think DevonThink allows for image/video import though.  I haven&#8217;t used it in a long while, so I might be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://chrismarshall.ws/devonthink/comment-page-1#comment-20337</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My database is fine - images and video are NOT properly supported in Yojimbo. You can put an image in put only if you copy and paste it into a rich text note...presumably same for video. This is not the same as properly supported filetypes...

See here:

&quot;One data type whose support seems to be strangely lacking is images. If you try to drag an image Yojimbo, nothing happens. Itâ€™s not that you canâ€™t add images to Yojimbo, but it takes a few more steps. You either need to create a new Note and drag the image to the noteâ€™s body, which allows you to add commentary to the picture, add it as Web Archive by opening the image in Safari, or add it as a PDF using OS Xâ€™s PDF Services. While effective, these workarounds seem out of place when compared to how seamless it is to add other data types to Yojimbo.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My database is fine &#8211; images and video are NOT properly supported in Yojimbo. You can put an image in put only if you copy and paste it into a rich text note&#8230;presumably same for video. This is not the same as properly supported filetypes&#8230;</p>
<p>See here:</p>
<p>&#8220;One data type whose support seems to be strangely lacking is images. If you try to drag an image Yojimbo, nothing happens. Itâ€™s not that you canâ€™t add images to Yojimbo, but it takes a few more steps. You either need to create a new Note and drag the image to the noteâ€™s body, which allows you to add commentary to the picture, add it as Web Archive by opening the image in Safari, or add it as a PDF using OS Xâ€™s PDF Services. While effective, these workarounds seem out of place when compared to how seamless it is to add other data types to Yojimbo.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mac Sokulski</title>
		<link>http://chrismarshall.ws/devonthink/comment-page-1#comment-20334</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac Sokulski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... 
1. I agree that a web would be beneficial, but not necessary in my opinion.  I rather have it sync.  I understand, to each is own.
2. Yojimbo does images fine, at least on this end.  It would be nice to include spreadsheets, though.
3. Never used that part so can&#039;t say much about it, but that should not reflect on the software title, or should it? :)
4/5. Performance on my Macbook Pro is fine with spotlight, and it can find all my data in yojimbo without any problems, even within saved PDF files.  All my searches using spotlight never failed yet.  I never saw a long alphanumeric string.

Dragging photos to yojimbo works fine, also dragging videos works as well.  Plays fine in Yojimbo (just tested the video/photo).  Might be that your database is buggered up somehow.  Don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;<br />
1. I agree that a web would be beneficial, but not necessary in my opinion.  I rather have it sync.  I understand, to each is own.<br />
2. Yojimbo does images fine, at least on this end.  It would be nice to include spreadsheets, though.<br />
3. Never used that part so can&#8217;t say much about it, but that should not reflect on the software title, or should it? <img src='http://chrismarshall.ws/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
4/5. Performance on my Macbook Pro is fine with spotlight, and it can find all my data in yojimbo without any problems, even within saved PDF files.  All my searches using spotlight never failed yet.  I never saw a long alphanumeric string.</p>
<p>Dragging photos to yojimbo works fine, also dragging videos works as well.  Plays fine in Yojimbo (just tested the video/photo).  Might be that your database is buggered up somehow.  Don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://chrismarshall.ws/devonthink/comment-page-1#comment-20331</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also use Yojimbo...and have no real need for syncing so far but can see its value.

What annoys me:

1. Webjimbo is a further $30 on top of an already expensive application. I will get an iPhone, and will want Webjimbo&#039;s iPhone interface, but can&#039;t help feeling like I am bending over on this one... ;) $70 for the two.
2. Why can Yojimbo still not do other filetypes, particularly images?
3. Bare Bones&#039; web talk list thing bugs the living hell out of me. Use a forum just like everyone else.
4. Performance, especially with Spotlight content search, is seriously borked.
5. Spotlight often returns a long alphanumeric string instead of a proper name for library items.

From Bare Bones&#039; site:

&quot;Store almost anything in Yojimboâ€”text, rich text, images, PDFs, even serial numbers and passwords&quot;

Try dragging any image into Yojimbo. It will not accept it, so the above is a plain outright fib. You have to embed it into another filetype first and who wants to bother with that?

Unless Bare Bones come out with a Leopardised version doing Quicklook and supporting multiple media filetypes, it will be gone from my machine very soon.

I like the app but am unhappy with the pace of development and absent functionality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also use Yojimbo&#8230;and have no real need for syncing so far but can see its value.</p>
<p>What annoys me:</p>
<p>1. Webjimbo is a further $30 on top of an already expensive application. I will get an iPhone, and will want Webjimbo&#8217;s iPhone interface, but can&#8217;t help feeling like I am bending over on this one&#8230; <img src='http://chrismarshall.ws/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  $70 for the two.<br />
2. Why can Yojimbo still not do other filetypes, particularly images?<br />
3. Bare Bones&#8217; web talk list thing bugs the living hell out of me. Use a forum just like everyone else.<br />
4. Performance, especially with Spotlight content search, is seriously borked.<br />
5. Spotlight often returns a long alphanumeric string instead of a proper name for library items.</p>
<p>From Bare Bones&#8217; site:</p>
<p>&#8220;Store almost anything in Yojimboâ€”text, rich text, images, PDFs, even serial numbers and passwords&#8221;</p>
<p>Try dragging any image into Yojimbo. It will not accept it, so the above is a plain outright fib. You have to embed it into another filetype first and who wants to bother with that?</p>
<p>Unless Bare Bones come out with a Leopardised version doing Quicklook and supporting multiple media filetypes, it will be gone from my machine very soon.</p>
<p>I like the app but am unhappy with the pace of development and absent functionality.</p>
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		<title>By: Mac Sokulski</title>
		<link>http://chrismarshall.ws/devonthink/comment-page-1#comment-20326</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac Sokulski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is an interesting question.  The updated spotlight is definitely great help, but there is one situation when Yojimbo (especially) trumps it.  It&#039;s the way it syncs using .mac, between all of my systems.  One change on 1 system and it&#039;s reflected across all.  This must be the best feature out of Yojimbo, which I use for everything.  Quick notes/ serials/ web archives/ all of my info, and I can sync it with my blackberry to boot.  So right now unless something better comes along, you could not pull yojimbo out of my cold dead hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is an interesting question.  The updated spotlight is definitely great help, but there is one situation when Yojimbo (especially) trumps it.  It&#8217;s the way it syncs using .mac, between all of my systems.  One change on 1 system and it&#8217;s reflected across all.  This must be the best feature out of Yojimbo, which I use for everything.  Quick notes/ serials/ web archives/ all of my info, and I can sync it with my blackberry to boot.  So right now unless something better comes along, you could not pull yojimbo out of my cold dead hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Marshall</title>
		<link>http://chrismarshall.ws/devonthink/comment-page-1#comment-20268</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that will be an interesting one for sure! 

My natural inclination is that the Mac stuff is good to a point, but that it doesn&#039;t offer depth and hasn&#039;t been built for the specific task - a good generalist rather than a good expert.

That said as the majority of users are probably generalists the Mac options are probably more than good enough for most people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that will be an interesting one for sure! </p>
<p>My natural inclination is that the Mac stuff is good to a point, but that it doesn&#8217;t offer depth and hasn&#8217;t been built for the specific task &#8211; a good generalist rather than a good expert.</p>
<p>That said as the majority of users are probably generalists the Mac options are probably more than good enough for most people.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://chrismarshall.ws/devonthink/comment-page-1#comment-20262</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am having a bit of a struggle at the moment - with Quick Look and Coverflow, and seriously improved Spotlight, I think the value of these info-aggregators has diminished greatly. I use Yojimbo, am trialling Together 2.0 (used to be KIT), and have a license to DevonThink also.

Would love to start a discussion here about WHY the new Finder with the above enhancements is not just as good as a 3rd party application (if you discount fancy-pants stuff like RSS feeds etc...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am having a bit of a struggle at the moment &#8211; with Quick Look and Coverflow, and seriously improved Spotlight, I think the value of these info-aggregators has diminished greatly. I use Yojimbo, am trialling Together 2.0 (used to be KIT), and have a license to DevonThink also.</p>
<p>Would love to start a discussion here about WHY the new Finder with the above enhancements is not just as good as a 3rd party application (if you discount fancy-pants stuff like RSS feeds etc&#8230;).</p>
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